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Doug_H
Posted : Monday, March 21, 2005 3:12:42 PM


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Use visual sorting with Stochastics to find stocks where the SK line is crossing the SD line. Find these crossovers when Stochastics is currently above 80 or below 20.







Stochastics SK Period SD Period actual value sort visual comparison sort moving average


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j2d2
Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:26:03 PM

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Thanks Doug for the practical demonstration of what the three variables of the stoch actually represent. It is a real shame that so many who know how to use it do not have the ability to explain it to others in a form that is as understandable as what you have done here.
Craig_S
Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:27:07 PM


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I second that. I think this is one of Doug's best videos to date.

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upandaway
Posted : Wednesday, October 26, 2005 7:38:38 PM
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Can this method be written in a pcf? I would definitely like to use this with other
pcf's I have in mind...thx.
Doug_H
Posted : Wednesday, October 26, 2005 8:32:15 PM


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I believe the following formula will work for you if you have Stochastics 12.5.10. Change the numbers to reflect your Stochastics settings.

STOC12.5.1 < AVG(STOC12.5.1,10) AND STOC12.5 > AVG(STOC12.5,10)

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upandaway
Posted : Friday, October 28, 2005 12:42:31 AM
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I went through the manual process as illustrated in the
video. It produced a universe of stocks against the SP500.
I filtered it down as described in the video and eventually
got down to 30 or so stocks that are either in the
<20 or >80 range. However, when I used your formula against
SP500 it only produced a half dozen stocks that were marked
TRUE in the sort column. STOC values are the same in both
senerios. What am I missing?
Doug_H
Posted : Friday, October 28, 2005 10:07:15 AM


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The method described in the video found stocks that have experienced a crossover recently, or might be about to experience a crossover. The idea being that once the list was narrowed down that far, it would be easy to scroll through and use your eyes to identify the stocks that actually did experience the crossover you were looking for.

The PCF I gave you finds stocks where the crossover has occurred, and it occurred from yesterday to today.

PCF's are often more precise, but as a result, more restrictive. That's why I like the method demonstrated in the video rather than using PCF's.

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upandaway
Posted : Friday, October 28, 2005 12:05:33 PM
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Can you give me the breakdown on the formula. The difference between the left and right side of the AND operator. Why the %d is not used on the right of the formula?
Doug_H
Posted : Friday, October 28, 2005 12:11:28 PM


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You can't program the sd line per se in a PCF. However, sd is merely a moving average of the sk. This is explained in the video.

STOC12.5.1 < AVG(STOC12.5.1,10) AND STOC12.5 > AVG(STOC12.5,10)

The left side of the formula says that STOC12.5.1 (which is the SK yesterday) is less than the 10 day moving average of the SK yesterday (which is the SD yesterday). The right side of the formula says the same thing, except the .1 has been left out to make it for today instead of yesterday, and the < has been changed to <. Essentially, it means that the SK was beow the SD yesterday and the SK is above the SD today. Works beautifully on my chart.

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upandaway
Posted : Sunday, November 13, 2005 7:57:23 PM
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Can you qualify your pcf where the near or actual crossover is in the <20 or >80 range...thx.
Doug_H
Posted : Sunday, November 13, 2005 8:29:12 PM


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Sure. Just add the following to the PCF above:

AND ((STOC12.5>=80) OR (STOC12.5<=20))

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barbler
Posted : Friday, March 17, 2006 3:43:49 PM
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hi...i just tried the following formula as suggested:

STOC12.5.1 < AVG(STOC12.5.1,10) AND STOC12.5 > AVG(STOC12.5,10)STOC12.5.1 < AVG(STOC12.5.1,10) AND STOC12.5 > AVG(STOC12.5,10)

i did it on the S&P 500. two of the stocks say "true". what does this mean? ahh, does it mean that these are the only two that occurred below the 20 line or above the 80 line?

so, now that i have created the formula, i can create an easy scan with this using all stocks + optionable stocks...and it should show me the stocks that are crossing over either 80 or 20. isn't this easier than going through the many steps in the video?

thanks.
barbara
Craig_S
Posted : Friday, March 17, 2006 3:56:00 PM


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Your PCF has problems.

THIS PCF will find crossovers for 12/5/10 that happen above 80 or below 20:

(STOC12.5 > AVG(STOC12.5,10) AND STOC12.5.1 < AVG(STOC12.5.1,10)AND STOC12.5<=20) OR (STOC12.5 < AVG(STOC12.5,10) AND STOC12.5.1 > AVG(STOC12.5.1,10)AND STOC12.5>=80)

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gfdengine204
Posted : Friday, March 24, 2006 11:12:05 PM
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Doug,

I am a new member, and just viewing this video has made me think I have found a winner in TC2000. I can see where this particular method would open up a good number of potentials to do some further research on.

From what I have seen, you and Craig do a fantastic job. Keep up the great work.
Kalk
Posted : Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:44:50 PM
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Craig S
Copied the last posted PCF (STO12.5 >AVG( etc. In formula test for IBM: Error in Formula Syntax, and market days needed to calculate criterion:28. What's wrong. Thanks
Kalk
Craig_S
Posted : Sunday, March 26, 2006 9:17:14 AM


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I just tested the PCF and it works fine.

Highlight the entire PCF then right click the highlighted area and choose COPY.

Go to TeleChart, click the NEW button then PERSONAL CRITERIA FORMULA. Name the PCF then, in the formula box, RIGHT CLICK and choose PASTE.

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bx2cafreddy
Posted : Saturday, April 08, 2006 9:19:46 PM
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Doug,

I'm trying to get my hands around the overbought / oversold stocks recognition. Can I infer that stocks whose stoc's are below the 20 are overbought and stoc's above the 80 oversold?
Doug_H
Posted : Saturday, April 08, 2006 10:15:06 PM


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Just the opposite is the way Stochastics is typically interpreted: below 20 - oversold; above 80 - overbought.

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Craig_S
Posted : Sunday, April 09, 2006 7:33:39 AM


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Be careful,though. In the video below I show what below 20 and above 80 really mean. Be sure to check it out:

Understanding Stochastics

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bx2cafreddy
Posted : Sunday, April 09, 2006 9:21:24 PM
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thx guys and the videos are great..
Doug_H
Posted : Sunday, April 09, 2006 11:55:05 PM


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Our pleasure!

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kiss35
Posted : Saturday, May 20, 2006 10:16:31 AM
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Hi guys,

I downloaded this video and the Understanding Stochastics.

This video did not work, the other video did.

Why?
StockGuy
Posted : Sunday, May 21, 2006 6:00:42 PM

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Found a corrupt media file. Download this version and you should be able to view the video.

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shoat
Posted : Wednesday, May 31, 2006 7:39:48 PM
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hello guys,

i use stochastics in my personal criteria formular. i am afraid the search returnded some unfavorable result. could it be that there is a fault or what.

i used
STOC8.3 >= 60
and it returned "ebay" as one of the result yet the stochastic is just 8.31% which shouldn't be one of the results.
Craig_S
Posted : Wednesday, May 31, 2006 7:45:39 PM


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Ebay's STOC8.3 is well over 60 today.

Are you looking at a daily chart? Edit your plotted stochastics, is the PERIOD 8 and the SK period 3?

If not, we need to change your PCF. What settings do you have?

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Bruce_L
Posted : Wednesday, May 31, 2006 7:49:34 PM


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shoat,
What are the Stochastics Settings on your chart? My results for EBAY on a Daily chart are as follows (as of the 5/31/2006 Market Close):

Period: 8
SK Period: 3
SD Period: 1
Average Type: Simple
Value: 79.04
Equivalent PCF: STOC8.3

Period: 8
SK Period: 3
SD Period: 3
Average Type: Simple
Value: 82.04
Equivalent PCF: AVG(STOC8.3,3)

Period: 8
SK Period: 3
SD Period: 1
Average Type: Exponential
Value: 73.15
Equivalent PCF: XAVG(STOC8.1,3)

Period: 8
SK Period: 3
SD Period: 3
Average Type: Exponential
Value: 71.87
Equivalent PCF: .500488758553275 * (XAVG(STOC8.1.0,3) + 2 / 4 * (XAVG(STOC8.1.1,3) + 2 / 4 * (XAVG(STOC8.1.2,3) + 2 / 4 * (XAVG(STOC8.1.3,3) + 2 / 4 * (XAVG(STOC8.1.4,3) + 2 / 4 * (XAVG(STOC8.1.5,3) + 2 / 4 * (XAVG(STOC8.1.6,3) + 2 / 4 * (XAVG(STOC8.1.7,3) + 2 / 4 * (XAVG(STOC8.1.8,3) + 2 / 4 * (XAVG(STOC8.1.9,3)))))))))))

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shoat
Posted : Wednesday, May 31, 2006 7:51:53 PM
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craig

yes i was in the middle of the chat around mid may. i gave a closer look and found i was wrong. so that is sorted.

however, i don't know what you mean by PCF. could you shed more light?

thanks
Craig_S
Posted : Wednesday, May 31, 2006 7:56:25 PM


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A PCF is a Personal Criteria Formula. STOC8.3 is a PCF.

Here is a short video to learn more: How to create a Personal Criteria Forumula (PCF)

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shoat
Posted : Wednesday, May 31, 2006 7:56:30 PM
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thanks bruce.
it now sorted. new to telechart and still playing around. i was looking at mid may and thought it was for today.
thanks
Bruce_L
Posted : Wednesday, May 31, 2006 7:57:52 PM


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shoat,
You're welcome.

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Java56
Posted : Tuesday, June 26, 2007 10:25:03 PM
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Thanks for this wonderful post. I have been trying to do some stragey plots in Blocks. This was exactly what I needed to understand the wonderful Blocks tool a little better.

I was able to use the moving average and crossovers to adjust my trade positions. You might want to consider revising this post and placing it also in the blocks area.

Thank you

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