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Following link includes topics and sub-topics
A. Sir fan pattern
B. Three black crows
Sir Fan-Pattern
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Diceman is this sort of what you had in mind? 
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Obviously there would have to be some type
of general agreement among us.
Once a major topic was started.
(Fan-Pattern)
We would have to try and keep it on that
topic (and not stray too much)
When it was deemed to be "worthy". Its link
would be put in a single topic know as
Index.
This should eventually create a good
one stop resource and allow those that have been
away to catch-up.
Maybe it could be decided out of the posts where
it should go.
Is 3 black crows worthy of its own topic or would
it be better in a topic called "patterns"?
This is why I think it would be best developed
outside. If it generates good stuff. It will get its
own topic (link) If the results or response is weak
it can be put in "patterns".
Later updates or new ideas (on the same topic)
will be put in the post (rather than a new one).
We would basically be creating a "book" of
trading ideas and info.
Thanks
diceman
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I understand, and like this idea. Example- I should have sterted a seperate thread when asking for Hohandies opinion on the three black crows issue, so as to keep the (FAN) thread pure.
Give us an example of how this would look..
I think that one topic should be devoted to all the Diceman indicators, Now ther's a book.
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Realize that these are just ideas off the top of
my head.
(hopefully there will be input and ideas from others)
The way I see it. A main topic can be started.
(maybe so we know it is a main topic we can call it
that)
MAINTOPIC-TREND
MAINTOPIC-FAN-PATTERN
MAINTOPIC-MACD-H100
(and so on)
We will try our best to stay on topic.
(questions are probably OK since it
will help new readers)
Once a topic has generated "good stuff".
A link can be put in one topic called INDEX.
(Index will be your 1 click resource to all the good
stuff)
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Lets say
MAINTOPIC-FAN-PATTERN
is in INDEX. If new ideas are created or new
chart patterns appear. You will know where to add
it. (the idea is to hopefully keep these topics
growing over time)
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It is also possible that 1 post can be copied
if it has complete useful information related
to something. (and not necessarily the entire
post)
For example if we have:
MAINTOPIC-Short-Term Trading
or
MAINTOPIC-Simple Trading Systems
I could see the responses from allenbary
in muniyba's "simplification" thread being
copied and pasted.
8/27 1:02:05
8/27 12:33:46
(buy not necessarily the whole thread)
The idea is to try and preserve good ideas or
complete ideas that get lost in the shuffle.
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I also think to a certain extent. Things should be
worthy. (obviously that is in the eye of the
beholder)
For example I'm not sure 3 black crows "rates" as
a topic yet. (it seems to me it is in the category
of "just thrown out there")
I would think we would want to avoid having
"everything" that is mentioned becoming a
"MAIN TOPIC"
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Remember if we start a Main Topic (like 3 black
crows) and it goes nowhere. We don't have to include it in "INDEX". It will be just like a topic
is now. Free to "die on the vine" or grow if
new ideas come into play.
(otherwise we will probably just create a mess)
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Anyway those are some initial thoughts.
Hopefully others will chime in with ideas and improvements.
The basic idea is "INDEX" is your book.
MAINTOPIC's are the chapters of the book.
It will create a one-stop resource for ideas
and try to preserve ideas that get lost in the
shuffle.
Thanks
diceman
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I am completely on board with your format above. Let me know if I can help in setting up anything.
Apsll..
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This is an excellent idea which is long over due.
I am encouraged by the way it is beginning to develop. It seems to me that the idea of the INDEX can be looked on as being similar to the card catalog at the library.
As mentioned above the INDEX could contain
MAINTOPIC-TREND
MAINTOPIC-FAN-PATTERN
…….TOPIC-Sir Fan-Pattern (a short description of content)
MAINTOPIC-MACD-H100
MAINTOPIC-Market Thinker
……..Sir Market Thinker’s Settings (a short description of content)
(and so on)
In order for this idea to work there would need t be some one (perhaps a small group or a Worden Trainer ) who would assume responsibility for maintaining the INDEX, creating MAINTOPICS, creating Topics and assigning threads to TOPICS. Someone would need to edit the threads to remove extraneous comments which were not related to the main topics, such those in Sir Free Market Thinkers Settings.
These are my thoughts. Please feel free to modify, expand. Change. Or reject them.
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"Someone would need to edit the threads to remove extraneous comments which were not related to the main topics, such as those in Sir Free Market Thinkers Settings."
After reading Bcraig's idea to edit and remove parts of a classic thread, it doned on me that the threads should not be tampered with. I do not like the idea of sterilizing.
In fact is not the search function an efficient enough tool that one can use to find a given topic...
(IMO)
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This is an excellent idea which is long over due.
I am encouraged by the way it is beginning to develop. It seems to me that the idea of the INDEX can be looked on as being similar to the card catalog at the library.
As mentioned above the INDEX could contain
MAINTOPIC-TREND
MAINTOPIC-FAN-PATTERN
…….TOPIC-Sir Fan-Pattern (a short description of content)
MAINTOPIC-MACD-H100
MAINTOPIC-Market Thinker
……..Sir Market Thinker’s Settings (a short description of content)
(and so on)
In order for this idea to work there would need t be some one (perhaps a small group or a Worden Trainer ) who would assume responsibility for maintaining the INDEX, creating MAINTOPICS, creating Topics and assigning threads to TOPICS. Someone would need to edit the threads to remove extraneous comments which were not related to the main topics, such those in Sir Free Market Thinkers Settings.
These are my thoughts. Please feel free to modify, expand. Change. Or reject them.
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I would agree that nothing should be edited.
This would require some "self-policing"
on our parts.
For example if there was I thread I disagreed with.
I could bring it up in another post.
(or it could be responded to in another)
(we would have to think about what we say and
how our response would impact the thread)
Remember this is a public forum and we have
to allow others to respond as they wish.
We could also have a MainTopic called
something like"miscellaneous" or
"Counterpoint". In which arguments could be
kept. With an explanation.
(this came up in the divergence main topic)
and so on.
Thanks
diceman
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Apsll and Diceman
On further reflection, my comment about editing the threads was ill considered. Who among us has the godlike restraint to keep from editing to reflect his own bias.
It is just unfortunate that the discussions get so far out of hand by responding to a comment which is not responsive to the main thread. If we just ignore the comment then the thread will remain pure. I must confess to my part of the lack of restraint at times. Diceman’s suggestion that rebuttals be handled in another thread is a good one.
The remainder of the comment about who assigns MAINTOPIC titles and TOPIC titles and which posts are assigned to the TOPIC relates to Diceman’s post of 10:27:15 AM is still valid, I believe.
I think it is obvious that not all posts would be of the quality necessary to be included in the INDEX. That judgment would have to be made by someone at some time in the future. The three black crows issue is a case in point.
I, for one, would hesitate to take on that responsibility. Perhaps a Worden Trainer could fill that role.
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Diceman - in researching some of these threads I've found three different references- Diceman/HNC
Diceman Index
Fan-Pattern
Is the fan-patten your index or what's referred to as your index or do you have another index people are referring to and I have just missed it?? Would you please send a link to your index so I can review!!
Thank You - Mike
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Hi Mike.
Fan Pattern is from the 8/24/07 Worden report.
"Sir Fan Pattern" believes the amount of time a stock is above its 50 day moving average is important for trend strength.
I showed a method that could be used to count the
days above the 50 in this post:
Sir Fan-Pattern
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HNC/Diceman comes from an old thread. HNC
showed a trading system with multiple moving
averages. I supplied an indicator to show when the
averages are "tight" (a decision point)
This became known as the "diceman indicator".
Hohandy added a moving average to the
diceman indicator and found it useful as an
entry/exit tool.
(see #4 buy point in his post)
The original HNC/Diceman and a post from
hohandy are linked here:
Simplification
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I started a post about the organization of our
topics. I stated that we should create main
topics and put them in a post called INDEX.
"Dicemans Index" is just a name that Apsll
gave to this post because we are discussing
the topic.
My original post is here:
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Thanks
diceman
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Thank you for the explanation!! I'm pretty new to this and trying to catch up. I like the interaction between all of you so with these threads you'll increase my knowledge a great deal.
Thanks Again
Mike
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Thanks Diceman, but I wasn't the one to add the moving average. I came into HNC/Diceman after-the-fact, very late in the game, and by then the MA had already been added to the Diceman Indicator. I can't take credit for it, but I can highly endorse it.
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I Believe that it was Jcfla7 that first recommended using a moving average on the diceman indicator here in this thread.
ORCH (Decision Point)
Also one should not confuse the recent references to the fan with a thread that I started a while ago under the same name, (I must admit that at the time I was designing the set-up and indicators for this Template I was totally un-aware of Sir fan patterns contributions) My set-up is quite different than his and I have different goals in mind then he did. Here is a link to my thread.
THE FAN
I personally like the search function to locate the subjects that I need to find..
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Well we have the culprit.
It looks like I was the one who decided to put a moving average on the diceman.
(makes sense)
See this post:
jcfla7 your answer here.
Thanks
diceman
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Here are some links that I like:
I like the idea of having a single post for the link of links. I guess though someone will have to click on the links from time to time to keep them from expiring.
We could print everything off into a book format and it would rank with the best out there.
1) The (removed by Moderator) project (one of the truly classic threads, may it rest in peace)
2) IBI - and more on MACD-H
3) why do traders lose money?
AVNR...Oh, Noooo! He's at it again!
hohandy more macdh discussion.
A sleeping giant awakes...
MACD-H?
For any Darvas fans out there
good approaches for end of day trading?
A simple profitable method for the newbie, or not so newbie
Diceman a challenging indicator design
I was looking for the first simple approach update but couldn't find it:
Simple approach update
Starting new, how long to go thru the training and begin trading, and costs?
Signs (Both Subtle and Obvious) Pointing to Impending Disaster in otherwise OK-Looking Stocks (e.g.
the power of a divergence?
Sir Free Market Thinker's Settings: 8/21/07 Worden Report
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We could probably make a MasterTopic
called: "Favorites"
Assuming they are not already in the
INDEX. Favorite posts could be put in there.
Thanks
diceman
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Jcfla7
I like to see people beginning to accept the idea of the INDEX of posts and your idea of including this list is a good one.
It would be even better if you would include a short description of each item’s subject matter.
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its a good idea. I think some of them are self-explanatory but agree that others could benefit from an explanation. One problem though is sometimes threads go into many directions so one sentence might not suffice.
The Worden people should pick out and archive the best posts like a post hall of fame or something like that. I think many of the threads here are reason enough to subscribe.
I tried to encourage Dice once to create a post with his ten best submissions but he didnt want to rank them.
By the way, my autopilot project is coming along relatively well. The goal is to go short and long same number of stocks everyday with, hopefully, wins on both sides everyday. I had started with probably a dozen long approaches and a dozen short ones and have narrowed it down to a handful. Most lost money last month but a few recovered nicely at the end of the month. Hohandy and Diceman may think I'm crzy not to do a lot of stock specific analysis but I figure its a work in progress. We can see where it goes. One big benefit, assuming it works long-term, is that your time commitment is light. I think time spent should be factored into your investment returns because your time has real value, especially if you are prevented from doing other things you would want to do by stock trading.
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I just wanted to keep the diceman index alive and active....I have learned an awful lot and know that other newbies will find this extremely helpful...maybe a little over many of our heads right now, but this is a great resource to have as we grow....
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Right now these are still in Master Topic
form.
Like these:
The actual Index of the Master Topics hasn't been created yet.
I had some more contributions for this stuff but have had some
severe internet connectivity issues over the last two weeks and
have been trying to straighten that out.
Thanks
diceman
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