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wwrightjuly4
Posted : Sunday, February 21, 2010 11:34:12 PM
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Based on volume.  Resistence area.  May get some follow through.
Apsll
Posted : Monday, February 22, 2010 7:15:53 AM

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WW, this is not meant to be sarcastic but the down ward trend line has been broken. I would put my buy at $27.50 and a stop at $25.90 This also looks good on the Tobydad Profile.

I remember that we have all discussed this one before.
Apsll
Posted : Monday, February 22, 2010 6:56:49 PM

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WW, how are you? I did not zoom out on this one. After todays action I did so. Be carefull because it appears the price has bounced right off a strong ressistance level. Next time I give my analysis I will look deeper. 

Now I still think that if we can just get past that level then good things will happen. I will keep an eye on it.

Here is the daily chart where I show the ressistance level that seems to be a sticky point right now.

rstarnes
Posted : Monday, February 22, 2010 8:27:01 PM
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Apsll Thanks for the analysis. I don't trade this stock & I learned a hugh lesson from the 2 charts. Thanks for posting the second chart and the indepth work on your part. 

Also, learned much from you and agm32(?) & david. The chart analysis between you guys sure helps me to learn and gives me some "bullets" to learn to use.

Apsll
Posted : Monday, February 22, 2010 9:42:43 PM

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You are welcomeRstarnes, It just goes to show that no one is perfect. And always go past your initial analysis. Sometimes it is that little extra that will make the difference. After all perfection is a heavy burden now isn't it? 

Try this link for some good old fashioned technical analysis courtesy of the Wordens and a very special Doctor. - http://videos.worden.com/webinars/CurrentMarkets020210.html
johnlc
Posted : Monday, February 22, 2010 10:24:00 PM
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WW.      Looks a little like what AGM posted the other day  on a different chart on a different thread.
wwrightjuly4
Posted : Friday, February 26, 2010 10:53:01 AM
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im going to have to watch agm posts more closely.   I like these types of stocks.
dryfess
Posted : Friday, February 26, 2010 12:24:05 PM
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It looks like John is correct. WW, you should not have let Apsll talk you out of this stock.
davidjohnhall
Posted : Friday, February 26, 2010 12:53:32 PM

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WW, you should not have let Apsll talk you out of this stock. 

Hey Dryfess,

I think I'm missing something here.  I didn't see anyone talking anyone out of a stock.  The only call I see here is:

I would put my buy at $27.50 and a stop at $25.90 This also looks good on the Tobydad Profile.

I also see this:

Be carefull because it appears the price has bounced right off a strong ressistance level. 

Then this:

Now I still think that if we can just get past that level then good things will happen.

Price did make it past the resistance line and good things did happen.

I honestly don't see anyone talking anyone out of anything.  If you put up a pick into open forum you are inviting discussion.  Otherwise, why post it?  Why not keep it to yourself and just trade it?  

If only one person puts up their thoughts on your pick, do you have to take those thoughts as gospel and abandon your own analysis?  No.  

Instead of critisizing another's attempts to contribute, why not post your own charts with your own analysis and then the original poster can have even more food for thought which I am sure was his original intent.

Good luck all. 

David John Hall

dryfess
Posted : Friday, February 26, 2010 1:19:07 PM
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Yeah you are missing something. If you read the tone of WW's post, he missed out on the buy because he was discouraged by Apsll's post.

Posting a chart for debate is one thing but if you are going to post a pick, then you should be held accountable.

wwrightjuly4
Posted : Friday, February 26, 2010 1:25:45 PM
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Im am a brief writer.   Dont read too much into anything I write.

I was not discouraged by Apsll, although plenty annoyed by all of the rhetoric on all the threads.

I bought on the next day an put in my stops.

sold half today and moved my stops up on the other half.  No agenda....and if you have one please drop it.


p.s.  I appreciate anyones comments as they pertain strictly to stocks.

Regards.
Apsll
Posted : Friday, February 26, 2010 1:30:56 PM

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dryfess you are 100% correct. WW made a pick and he alone is responsible for the trades that he makes.

davidjohnhall
Posted : Friday, February 26, 2010 1:34:15 PM

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I'm sorry, Dryfess, I think you'll have to elaborate.  First, "tone" is subjective.  Especially in something that's written down.  Here are the sum total of WW's posts:

Based on volume.  Resistence area.  May get some follow through.

That was the orignal thought on the stock.  Hardlty a battle cry or a commitment to this position.  Then:

im going to have to watch agm posts more closely.   I like these types of stocks. 

That's it.  Where's the tone?  If I apply my own tone, I read: One that I believe "may" have some upside.

Then I read: thanks for the tip about AGM, I like these types of stocks, I'll keep an eye on AGM's posts to see if he puts up something that I'll miss.

Nothing about him missing this trade, nothing about him blaming Apsll.

Posting a chart for debate is one thing but if you are going to post a pick, then you should be held accountable.

The only person who is accountable for anything on a message board is the reader.  If you come to a message Board and you mistake it for a stock picking service then buyer beware.

Even if you subscribe to a stock picking service the accountability STILL lies with you.  In fact, the accountability ALWAYS lies with you.  

You still did not answer where is Apsll talking WW out of the trade?  In fact he agrees and says there is upside afetr the resistence area that WW himself mentioned.

David John Hall

 
davidjohnhall
Posted : Friday, February 26, 2010 1:35:52 PM

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Thank you for clarifying WW.  It is much appreciated.

And congrats on your winning trade!

David John Hall
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Posted : Friday, February 26, 2010 1:55:44 PM

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QUOTE (dryfess)

Yeah you are missing something. If you read the tone of WW's post, he missed out on the buy because he was discouraged by Apsll's post.



This is the lamest thing I've ever read on this forum.
johnlc
Posted : Friday, February 26, 2010 10:10:06 PM
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some people here think that everything they post about a chart or stock is an absolute and that everyone should follow that advice.   

here's a better idea.   tape the WSJ to the wall and go buy some darts.
johnlc
Posted : Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:25:43 PM
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W.W.        HOW ABOUT PICKING STOCKS FOR ALL OF US.        I TRULY HOPE THAT NOONE TALKED YOU OUT OF THIS .    

Without checking AGM's parameters,  if this did meet his specs.    We all better pay more attention to him.     
tobydad
Posted : Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:31:04 PM

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Actually John, I think this would have failed the parameters that AGM posted recently. I'd love to have agm comment. This could be a good learning opportunity. It was a perfect TD profile on 2/19. agm, you out there? Could you comment? I'd love to understand more.
tobydad
Posted : Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:37:04 PM

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I guess I need to have agm explain where to set the fib parameters. This looks like one that might have failed (I think???) And that's not to say the trendline break isn't a great system. I'm just looking to understand whether I'm learning it correctly.
johnlc
Posted : Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:50:40 PM
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You're right.    Agm32 parameters were an uptrending stock then pullback to a fib % lline.   He suggested  32%  or  68% .   Didn't mention 50%.      This would not have met his requirements.  

What is really poor, it that TC  does not show % figures on the fib lines.    How ridiculous.   A buddy of mine who uses fibs alot,  quit TC because of their poor fibs.  

I really hope that WW caught that move.    Don't catch something like that very often.    Get a little redemption from the market once in a while sure feels good. 
Apsll
Posted : Friday, March 12, 2010 1:35:04 AM

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What is really poor here is that Telechart or Agm32 has you speaking for either of them.

This did match the criteria of a Fib retrace back to the 38% level. The buy signal came on 2/23/10

One must always use caution as you will see price stall and give head fakes at these levels 23.6%, 38.2%, 50%, 61.8% and 78.6%. Remember that Fibanocci is just a tool like any other.

Tobydad I posted this for you and the new traders as John likes to think that he knows what he is talking about.

Don't wory TB the fibs are right side up this time.
 
Here is to a bullish day tomorrow. To bad John will miss it.






Apsll
Posted : Friday, March 12, 2010 7:39:56 AM

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http://forums.worden.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=3555

Tobydad, The above link will  show you how to scan for Fibonacci retracements.

As Craig likes to say...Enjoy
tobydad
Posted : Friday, March 12, 2010 7:46:52 AM

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thanks!
agm32
Posted : Friday, March 12, 2010 9:06:41 AM
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sorry apsll, but you have your fib retracements drawn from the wrong pivot point. what constitutes the one to use is a whole new subject. you are close though and I give you credit for that.

even though this is a relatively simple system, sometimes it gets complicated by the mathematics in the background. to fully understand the pivot points, you need to not only read but to comprehend the elliott wave principle and it is well known the distaste that you have of elliott wave. so my suggestion is; if in doubt, do not use it.

I would also like to point out that the success rate is not really all that high. there will be many failures. but the beauty of it is the r/r. losses are small and the wins are very high.

I have all the parameters built into my software and do not have to go through the gruesome task of searching thru bleary eyes for candidates that meet the criteria thanks to maverick.

here is your dtsi chart with the pivots shown in green or red arrows and fib retracement lines shown in red, blue, and yellow. also note that the current correction is displayed at the top of the chart.

agm32
Posted : Friday, March 12, 2010 9:10:01 AM
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apsll, nice find on the fib retracements.
Apsll
Posted : Friday, March 12, 2010 9:25:25 AM

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Thanks Agm32, I am looking for as much info on Fibonacci as I can. I have always thought as Fib lines as just a guide to possible reversals. I admit that my knowledge of them is rudimentary but I am open minded to learning more.

I do not mind being corrected and informed as long as it is done with common courtesy. 

tobydad
Posted : Friday, March 12, 2010 10:39:52 AM

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agm; I appreciate the further insights on the fib stuff.
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