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wbunn
Posted : Wednesday, November 2, 2011 11:29:15 AM
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 I am having trouble obtaining the correct results for a Wilder RSI pcf, in particular for bar0 (the last daily bar). For example, whenI entering "RSI14,1 < 10" in the PCF Editor using the Russell 1000 watchlist,  I obtained these three stocks:
HLF, TW, DLTR.  However, none displayed a WRSI value below 50.  Can you see why I'm not getting the correct results.
Thanks,

William
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Bruce_L
Posted : Wednesday, November 2, 2011 11:42:20 AM


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 The normal syntax to separate parameters in RSI14.1 would be a period, not a comma (you don't need the 1 in case as a 1-Period Simple Moving Average is the same as its parent). Is the indicator the plain RSI or RSI - Wilders? The syntax built into the Personal Criteria Formula Language is specifically for the plain RSI and not a Wilder's Smoothed RSI.

PCF Formula Descriptions
Handy PCF example formulas to help you learn the syntax of PCFs!

In TC2000 version 12, it is generally better to click on the indicator and select Create Condition to create Conditions than to write a formula. The resulting Condition is usually faster and more likely to match the charts.

If you really want to create a formula for a 14-Period Wilder's Smoothed RSI being less than 10, the formula would be quite a bit longer.

50 * (C - XAVGC27.1) / 14 / (.071435345156143 * (ABS(C - C1) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C1 - C2) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C2 - C3) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C3 - C4) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C4 - C5) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C5 - C6) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C6 - C7) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C7 - C8) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C8 - C9) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C9 - C10) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C10 - C11) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C11 - C12) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C12 - C13) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C13 - C14) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C14 - C15) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C15 - C16) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C16 - C17) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C17 - C18) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C18 - C19) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C19 - C20) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C20 - C21) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C21 - C22) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C22 - C23) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C23 - C24) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C24 - C25) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C25 - C26) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C26 - C27) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C27 - C28) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C28 - C29) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C29 - C30) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C30 - C31) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C31 - C32) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C32 - C33) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C33 - C34) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C34 - C35) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C35 - C36) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C36 - C37) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C37 - C38) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C38 - C39) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C39 - C40) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C40 - C41) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C41 - C42) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C42 - C43) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C43 - C44) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C44 - C45) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C45 - C46) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C46 - C47) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C47 - C48) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C48 - C49) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C49 - C50) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C50 - C51) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C51 - C52) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C52 - C53) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C53 - C54) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C54 - C55) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C55 - C56) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C56 - C57) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C57 - C58) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C58 - C59) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C59 - C60) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C60 - C61) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C61 - C62) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C62 - C63) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C63 - C64) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C64 - C65) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C65 - C66) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C66 - C67) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C67 - C68) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C68 - C69) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C69 - C70) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C70 - C71) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C71 - C72) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C72 - C73) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C73 - C74) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C74 - C75) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C75 - C76) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C76 - C77) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C77 - C78) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C78 - C79) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C79 - C80) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C80 - C81) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C81 - C82) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C82 - C83) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C83 - C84) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C84 - C85) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C85 - C86) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C86 - C87) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C87 - C88) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C88 - C89) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C89 - C90) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C90 - C91) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C91 - C92) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C92 - C93) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C93 - C94) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C94 - C95) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C95 - C96) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C96 - C97) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C97 - C98) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C98 - C99) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C99 - C100) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C100 - C101) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C101 - C102) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C102 - C103) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C103 - C104) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C104 - C105) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C105 - C106) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C106 - C107) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C107 - C108) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C108 - C109) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C109 - C110) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C110 - C111) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C111 - C112) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C112 - C113) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C113 - C114) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C114 - C115) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C115 - C116) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C116 - C117) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C117 - C118) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C118 - C119) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C119 - C120) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C120 - C121) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C121 - C122) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C122 - C123) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C123 - C124) + 13 / 14 * (ABS(C124 - C125))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) + 50 < 10

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billion
Posted : Monday, April 9, 2012 4:20:22 PM
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QUOTE (Bruce_L)
The normal syntax to separate parameters in RSI14.1 would be a period, not a comma (you don't need the 1 in case as a 1-Period Simple Moving Average is the same as its parent). Is the indicator the plain RSI or RSI - Wilders? The syntax built into the Personal Criteria Formula Language is specifically for the plain RSI and not a Wilder's Smoothed RSI.

PCF Formula Descriptions
Handy PCF example formulas to help you learn the syntax of PCFs!

In TC2000 version 12, it is generally better to click on the indicator and select Create Condition to create Conditions than to write a formula. The resulting Condition is usually faster and more likely to match the charts.
Cascades of Moving Averages

I am using TC2000 v12 and want to create a condition of "Wilder's RSI 10 > Wilder's RSI 21". I have both indicators on the chart but I could not figure out how to create the condition on both.

Thanks -
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Bruce_L
Posted : Monday, April 9, 2012 4:27:57 PM


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The indicators have to actually be in the same scale to create a Condition this way which compares the indicators.

Even though both RSIs are on a scale which runs from 0 to 100, each RSI has its own scale. This means you will need to use a Condition Formula for this:

50 * (C - XAVGC19.1) / 10 / (.100095591785708 * (ABS(C0 - C1) + .9 * (ABS(C1 - C2) + .9 * (ABS(C2 - C3) + .9 * (ABS(C3 - C4) + .9 * (ABS(C4 - C5) + .9 * (ABS(C5 - C6) + .9 * (ABS(C6 - C7) + .9 * (ABS(C7 - C8) + .9 * (ABS(C8 - C9) + .9 * (ABS(C9 - C10) + .9 * (ABS(C10 - C11) + .9 * (ABS(C11 - C12) + .9 * (ABS(C12 - C13) + .9 * (ABS(C13 - C14) + .9 * (ABS(C14 - C15) + .9 * (ABS(C15 - C16) + .9 * (ABS(C16 - C17) + .9 * (ABS(C17 - C18) + .9 * (ABS(C18 - C19) + .9 * (ABS(C19 - C20) + .9 * (ABS(C20 - C21) + .9 * (ABS(C21 - C22) + .9 * (ABS(C22 - C23) + .9 * (ABS(C23 - C24) + .9 * (ABS(C24 - C25) + .9 * (ABS(C25 - C26) + .9 * (ABS(C26 - C27) + .9 * (ABS(C27 - C28) + .9 * (ABS(C28 - C29) + .9 * (ABS(C29 - C30) + .9 * (ABS(C30 - C31) + .9 * (ABS(C31 - C32) + .9 * (ABS(C32 - C33) + .9 * (ABS(C33 - C34) + .9 * (ABS(C34 - C35) + .9 * (ABS(C35 - C36) + .9 * (ABS(C36 - C37) + .9 * (ABS(C37 - C38) + .9 * (ABS(C38 - C39) + .9 * (ABS(C39 - C40) + .9 * (ABS(C40 - C41) + .9 * (ABS(C41 - C42) + .9 * (ABS(C42 - C43) + .9 * (ABS(C43 - C44) + .9 * (ABS(C44 - C45) + .9 * (ABS(C45 - C46) + .9 * (ABS(C46 - C47) + .9 * (ABS(C47 - C48) + .9 * (ABS(C48 - C49) + .9 * (ABS(C49 - C50) + .9 * (ABS(C50 - C51) + .9 * (ABS(C51 - C52) + .9 * (ABS(C52 - C53) + .9 * (ABS(C53 - C54) + .9 * (ABS(C54 - C55) + .9 * (ABS(C55 - C56) + .9 * (ABS(C56 - C57) + .9 * (ABS(C57 - C58) + .9 * (ABS(C58 - C59) + .9 * (ABS(C59 - C60) + .9 * (ABS(C60 - C61) + .9 * (ABS(C61 - C62) + .9 * (ABS(C62 - C63) + .9 * (ABS(C63 - C64) + .9 * (ABS(C64 - C65) + .9 * (ABS(C65 - C66)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) + 50 > 50 * (C - XAVGC41.1) / 21 / (.0476657485943124 * (ABS(C - C1) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C1 - C2) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C2 - C3) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C3 - C4) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C4 - C5) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C5 - C6) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C6 - C7) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C7 - C8) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C8 - C9) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C9 - C10) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C10 - C11) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C11 - C12) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C12 - C13) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C13 - C14) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C14 - C15) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C15 - C16) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C16 - C17) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C17 - C18) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C18 - C19) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C19 - C20) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C20 - C21) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C21 - C22) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C22 - C23) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C23 - C24) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C24 - C25) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C25 - C26) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C26 - C27) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C27 - C28) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C28 - C29) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C29 - C30) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C30 - C31) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C31 - C32) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C32 - C33) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C33 - C34) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C34 - C35) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C35 - C36) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C36 - C37) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C37 - C38) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C38 - C39) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C39 - C40) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C40 - C41) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C41 - C42) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C42 - C43) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C43 - C44) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C44 - C45) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C45 - C46) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C46 - C47) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C47 - C48) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C48 - C49) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C49 - 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C121) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C121 - C122) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C122 - C123) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C123 - C124) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C124 - C125) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C125 - C126) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C126 - C127) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C127 - C128) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C128 - C129) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C129 - C130) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C130 - C131) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C131 - C132) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C132 - C133) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C133 - C134) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C134 - C135) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C135 - C136) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C136 - C137) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C137 - C138) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C138 - C139) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C139 - C140) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C140 - C141) + 20 / 21 * (ABS(C141 - C142)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) + 50

 


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