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peter.walker958
Posted : Sunday, January 1, 2012 5:05:44 AM
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Is there a scan in TC2000 that can scan automatically for pipe bottoms and pipe tops?

Can you also tell me what 'crossing up thro BB bottom' means in the conditions section of TC2000?

Thanks

Peter
Bruce_L
Posted : Monday, January 2, 2012 2:19:32 PM


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Any Scan would depend on your specific unambiguous objective definition of a Pipe Bottom and Pipe Top.

Crossing Up through BB Bottom means the closing value of the whatever indicator to which the Bollinger Bands have been applied was below the lower Bollinger Band during the previous bar but above the lower Bollinger Band during the current bar.

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levalencia
Posted : Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:22:58 PM
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Bruce, can you help me to make this PCF?  according to the book I am looking for this

 

  1. Use weekly chart to select pipes.

2. Find two downward, adjacent price spikes that look like parallel lines.

3. The bottom of the spikes usually has a small price variation (the average is 0.24)

4.The two spikes should have a large price overlap (66% is the average)

 

thanks a lot

Bruce_L
Posted : Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:02:04 PM


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Any scan still depends on your particular unambiguous objective definition of a Pipe Bottom.

Saying that something has an average price variation of 0.24 and an average price overlap of 66% isn't a definition. It describes aggregate characteristics, not the pattern we are actually attempting to identify.

We could check for the two most recent bars to have more than a 66% overlap using the following:

MINH2 - MAXL2 > .66 * (MAXH2 - MINL2)

If you want to use Weekly bars in TC2000 version 12.3, then set the Time Frame of the Condition Formula to Weekly using the drop-down menu in the Condition Formula. Weekly formulas in TC2000 version 7 need to be created manually.

The Weekly formula for the above for TC2000 version 7 would be:

MINH10 - MAXL10 > .66 * (MAXH10 - MINL10)

What else can we find out about Pipe Bottoms by searching the internet? The bars need to be longer than average. We can add that both bars need to be greater than the average over the prior 52-bars as:

MINH2 - MAXL2 > .66 * (MAXH2 - MINL2) AND H - L > AVGH52.2 - AVGL52.2 AND H1 - L1 > AVGH52.2 - AVGL52.2

The Weekly formula for the above for TC2000 version 7 would be quite long because we would need to manually expand the moving averages.

The pipes need to extend below the surrounding price action. Assuming we are attempting to identify the pipes when they form and aren't waiting for some sort of confirmation, then we can only compare them to some arbitrary number of previous bar. The following adds that the lows of both bars at more than 50% of their individual ranges below the lowest low of the previous 5-bars:

MINH2 - MAXL2 > .66 * (MAXH2 - MINL2) AND H - L > AVGH52.2 - AVGL52.2 AND H1 - L1 > AVGH52.2 - AVGL52.2 AND MINL5.2 - L > .5 * (H - L) AND MINL5.2 - L1 > .5 * (H1 - L1)

Excluding the manual expansion of the moving averages, a Weekly version of the above for TC2000 version 7 would be:

MINH10 - MAXL10 > .66 * (MAXH10 - MINL10) AND MINL25.10 - MINL5 > .5 * (MAXH5 - MINL5) AND MINL25.10 - MINL5.5 > .5 * (MAXH5.5 - MINL5.5)

If you wanted this to have happend 3-bars ago with both pipes extending more than 50% of their individual ranges below the lows of the most recent 3-bars as well, we would get:

MINH2.3 - MAXL2.3 > .66 * (MAXH2.3 - MINL2.3) AND H3 - L3 > AVGH52.5 - AVGL52.5 AND H4 - L4 > AVGH52.5 - AVGL52.5 AND MINL5.5 - L3 > .5 * (H3 - L3) AND MINL5.5 - L4 > .5 * (H4 - L4) AND MINL3 - L3 > .5 * (H3 - L3) AND MINL3 - L4 > .5 * (H4 - L4)

If we again exclude the moving averages, the Weekly TC2000 version 7 of the above would be:

MINH10.15 - MAXL10.15 > .66 * (MAXH10.15 - MINL10.15) AND MINL25.25 - MINL5.15 > .5 * (MAXH5.15 - MINL5.15) AND MINL25.25 - MINL5.20 > .5 * (MAXH5.20 - MINL5.20) AND MINL15 - MINL15 > .5 * (MAXH5.15 - MINL5.15) AND MINL15 - MINL15 > .5 * (MAXH5.20 - MINL5.20)

I'm not saying this is going to identify a Pipe Bottom (it might, but it probably won't). I'm just trying to take you through the sorts of steps that are required in actually coming up with a definition and implementing that definition in the Personal Criteria Formula Language.

You need to come up with the definition. Once you have a definition, I can help you implement it as a Condition Formula.



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levalencia
Posted : Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:19:34 PM
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actually I am reading this guy book

http://www.thepatternsite.com/pipeb.html

 

but I cant find any more a concrete definition as you need.

Bruce_L
Posted : Thursday, February 28, 2013 3:15:29 PM


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You might be able to come up with specifics after you finish reading the book and are more familiar with exactly what you are attempting to identify.



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SILVERWESOKE
Posted : Tuesday, April 29, 2014 2:01:13 PM
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Bruce.- using your definitions, what would be the formulas to do this for DAILY time frame?  THanks

Bruce_L
Posted : Tuesday, April 29, 2014 3:13:17 PM


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The final current daily version given in my Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:02:04 PM ET post was:

MINH2 - MAXL2 > .66 * (MAXH2 - MINL2) AND H - L > AVGH52.2 - AVGL52.2 AND H1 - L1 > AVGH52.2 - AVGL52.2 AND MINL5.2 - L > .5 * (H - L) AND MINL5.2 - L1 > .5 * (H1 - L1)

Keep in mind the disclaimer given at the bottom of the post however, "I'm not saying this is going to identify a Pipe Bottom (it might, but it probably won't)."



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