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joemar1961
Posted : Friday, March 6, 2009 11:24:06 PM
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I'm having trouble writing a PCF to use in an Easyscan for Wilder's 2 period RSI where:

two days ago RSI2 was below 65
and yesterday RSI2 was below RSI2 two days ago
and today RSI2 is below RSI2 yesterday

I searched the existing RSI2 posts and couldn't find what I needed. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Joe
ejr39
Posted : Saturday, March 7, 2009 5:50:39 PM
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joemar1961;

> two days ago RSI2 was below 65
(RSI2.1.2 < 65)

> and yesterday RSI2 was below RSI2 two days ago
AND (RSI2.1.1 < RSI2.1.2)

> and today RSI2 is below RSI2 yesterday
AND (RSI2.1 < RSI2.1.1)

PCF Name: RSI2.1 down
((RSI2.1.2 < 65) AND (RSI2.1.1 < RSI2.1.2) AND (RSI2.1 < RSI2.1.1))

EasyScan:
WatchList to Scan:
[Add condition]s
...
. RSI2.2 down - True

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joemar1961
Posted : Monday, March 9, 2009 3:43:36 PM
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Thanks, but to my knowledge the Worden RSI is not the same as Wilder's RSI. If I am making a scan that utilizes Wilder's 2 period RSI then I would need the formula for Wilder's 2 period RSI.
But then I need to know how to use that formula for one day ago and two days ago.

Thanks,
Joe
Bruce_L
Posted : Monday, March 9, 2009 4:00:16 PM


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joemar1961,
If you are talking a Wilder's RSI with the following settings:

- RSI Period: 2
- Use Wilders Smoothing: Checked
- Avg Period: 1
- Average Type: Doesn't matter (because the Avg Period is 1)

Then you might want to try the following formulas:

two days ago RSI2 was below 65:

50 * (C2 - XAVGC3.3) / 2 / (.500030519440884 * (ABS(C2 - C3) + .5 * (ABS(C3 - C4) + .5 * (ABS(C4 - C5) + .5 * (ABS(C5 - C6) + .5 * (ABS(C6 - C7) + .5 * (ABS(C7 - C8) + .5 * (ABS(C8 - C9) + .5 * (ABS(C9 - C10) + .5 * (ABS(C10 - C11) + .5 * (ABS(C11 - C12) + .5 * (ABS(C12 - C13) + .5 * (ABS(C13 - C14) + .5 * (ABS(C14 - C15) + .5 * (ABS(C15 - C16)))))))))))))))) + 50 < 65

yesterday RSI2 was below RSI2 two days ago:

50 * (C1 - XAVGC3.2) / 2 / (.500030519440884 * (ABS(C1 - C2) + .5 * (ABS(C2 - C3) + .5 * (ABS(C3 - C4) + .5 * (ABS(C4 - C5) + .5 * (ABS(C5 - C6) + .5 * (ABS(C6 - C7) + .5 * (ABS(C7 - C8) + .5 * (ABS(C8 - C9) + .5 * (ABS(C9 - C10) + .5 * (ABS(C10 - C11) + .5 * (ABS(C11 - C12) + .5 * (ABS(C12 - C13) + .5 * (ABS(C13 - C14) + .5 * (ABS(C14 - C15)))))))))))))))) + 50 < 50 * (C2 - XAVGC3.3) / 2 / (.500030519440884 * (ABS(C2 - C3) + .5 * (ABS(C3 - C4) + .5 * (ABS(C4 - C5) + .5 * (ABS(C5 - C6) + .5 * (ABS(C6 - C7) + .5 * (ABS(C7 - C8) + .5 * (ABS(C8 - C9) + .5 * (ABS(C9 - C10) + .5 * (ABS(C10 - C11) + .5 * (ABS(C11 - C12) + .5 * (ABS(C12 - C13) + .5 * (ABS(C13 - C14) + .5 * (ABS(C14 - C15) + .5 * (ABS(C15 - C16)))))))))))))))) + 50

today RSI2 is below RSI2 yesterday:

50 * (C - XAVGC3.1) / 2 / (.500030519440884 * (ABS(C - C1) + .5 * (ABS(C1 - C2) + .5 * (ABS(C2 - C3) + .5 * (ABS(C3 - C4) + .5 * (ABS(C4 - C5) + .5 * (ABS(C5 - C6) + .5 * (ABS(C6 - C7) + .5 * (ABS(C7 - C8) + .5 * (ABS(C8 - C9) + .5 * (ABS(C9 - C10) + .5 * (ABS(C10 - C11) + .5 * (ABS(C11 - C12) + .5 * (ABS(C12 - C13) + .5 * (ABS(C13 - C14)))))))))))))))) + 50 < 50 * (C1 - XAVGC3.2) / 2 / (.500030519440884 * (ABS(C1 - C2) + .5 * (ABS(C2 - C3) + .5 * (ABS(C3 - C4) + .5 * (ABS(C4 - C5) + .5 * (ABS(C5 - C6) + .5 * (ABS(C6 - C7) + .5 * (ABS(C7 - C8) + .5 * (ABS(C8 - C9) + .5 * (ABS(C9 - C10) + .5 * (ABS(C10 - C11) + .5 * (ABS(C11 - C12) + .5 * (ABS(C12 - C13) + .5 * (ABS(C13 - C14) + .5 * (ABS(C14 - C15)))))))))))))))) + 50

Put together would be:

50 * (C2 - XAVGC3.3) / 2 / (.500030519440884 * (ABS(C2 - C3) + .5 * (ABS(C3 - C4) + .5 * (ABS(C4 - C5) + .5 * (ABS(C5 - C6) + .5 * (ABS(C6 - C7) + .5 * (ABS(C7 - C8) + .5 * (ABS(C8 - C9) + .5 * (ABS(C9 - C10) + .5 * (ABS(C10 - C11) + .5 * (ABS(C11 - C12) + .5 * (ABS(C12 - C13) + .5 * (ABS(C13 - C14) + .5 * (ABS(C14 - C15) + .5 * (ABS(C15 - C16)))))))))))))))) + 50 < 65 AND 50 * (C1 - XAVGC3.2) / 2 / (.500030519440884 * (ABS(C1 - C2) + .5 * (ABS(C2 - C3) + .5 * (ABS(C3 - C4) + .5 * (ABS(C4 - C5) + .5 * (ABS(C5 - C6) + .5 * (ABS(C6 - C7) + .5 * (ABS(C7 - C8) + .5 * (ABS(C8 - C9) + .5 * (ABS(C9 - C10) + .5 * (ABS(C10 - C11) + .5 * (ABS(C11 - C12) + .5 * (ABS(C12 - C13) + .5 * (ABS(C13 - C14) + .5 * (ABS(C14 - C15)))))))))))))))) + 50 < 50 * (C2 - XAVGC3.3) / 2 / (.500030519440884 * (ABS(C2 - C3) + .5 * (ABS(C3 - C4) + .5 * (ABS(C4 - C5) + .5 * (ABS(C5 - C6) + .5 * (ABS(C6 - C7) + .5 * (ABS(C7 - C8) + .5 * (ABS(C8 - C9) + .5 * (ABS(C9 - C10) + .5 * (ABS(C10 - C11) + .5 * (ABS(C11 - C12) + .5 * (ABS(C12 - C13) + .5 * (ABS(C13 - C14) + .5 * (ABS(C14 - C15) + .5 * (ABS(C15 - C16)))))))))))))))) + 50 AND 50 * (C - XAVGC3.1) / 2 / (.500030519440884 * (ABS(C - C1) + .5 * (ABS(C1 - C2) + .5 * (ABS(C2 - C3) + .5 * (ABS(C3 - C4) + .5 * (ABS(C4 - C5) + .5 * (ABS(C5 - C6) + .5 * (ABS(C6 - C7) + .5 * (ABS(C7 - C8) + .5 * (ABS(C8 - C9) + .5 * (ABS(C9 - C10) + .5 * (ABS(C10 - C11) + .5 * (ABS(C11 - C12) + .5 * (ABS(C12 - C13) + .5 * (ABS(C13 - C14)))))))))))))))) + 50 < 50 * (C1 - XAVGC3.2) / 2 / (.500030519440884 * (ABS(C1 - C2) + .5 * (ABS(C2 - C3) + .5 * (ABS(C3 - C4) + .5 * (ABS(C4 - C5) + .5 * (ABS(C5 - C6) + .5 * (ABS(C6 - C7) + .5 * (ABS(C7 - C8) + .5 * (ABS(C8 - C9) + .5 * (ABS(C9 - C10) + .5 * (ABS(C10 - C11) + .5 * (ABS(C11 - C12) + .5 * (ABS(C12 - C13) + .5 * (ABS(C13 - C14) + .5 * (ABS(C14 - C15)))))))))))))))) + 50

That said, I might seriously consider using the following instead:

50 * (C2 - XAVGC3.3) / 2 / (.500030519440884 * (ABS(C2 - C3) + .5 * (ABS(C3 - C4) + .5 * (ABS(C4 - C5) + .5 * (ABS(C5 - C6) + .5 * (ABS(C6 - C7) + .5 * (ABS(C7 - C8) + .5 * (ABS(C8 - C9) + .5 * (ABS(C9 - C10) + .5 * (ABS(C10 - C11) + .5 * (ABS(C11 - C12) + .5 * (ABS(C12 - C13) + .5 * (ABS(C13 - C14) + .5 * (ABS(C14 - C15) + .5 * (ABS(C15 - C16)))))))))))))))) + 50 < 65 AND C1 < C2 AND C < C1

You may wish to review the following:

How to create a Personal Criteria Forumula (PCF)
PCF Formula Descriptions
Handy PCF example formulas to help you learn the syntax of PCFs!
Cascades of Moving Averages

-Bruce
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joemar1961
Posted : Monday, March 9, 2009 8:15:16 PM
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Thank you so much Bruce. I will try those and see how they work. 

But now I'm wondering why the formula you provided here for today's Wilder's 2 period RSI is different from the one that was posted a couple years ago which started with:
100 - ( 100 / ( 1 + ( -500.0305 * (C0-C1>0)  and then went on for 14 lines. Is one version more accurate than the other?

Thanks for the help.
Joe
joemar1961
Posted : Monday, March 9, 2009 8:35:38 PM
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While we're at it can you also provide me with the formula for this same RSI2 but this time for 3 days ago. I would like to double check myself.

Thank you so much,
Joe
Bruce_L
Posted : Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:15:07 AM


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joemar1961,
Neither version is more accurate, the version in this topic is more efficient.

2-Period Wilder's Smoothed RSI (3-Periods Ago):

50 * (C3 - XAVGC3.4) / 2 / (.500030519440884 * (ABS(C3 - C4) + .5 * (ABS(C4 - C5) + .5 * (ABS(C5 - C6) + .5 * (ABS(C6 - C7) + .5 * (ABS(C7 - C8) + .5 * (ABS(C8 - C9) + .5 * (ABS(C9 - C10) + .5 * (ABS(C10 - C11) + .5 * (ABS(C11 - C12) + .5 * (ABS(C12 - C13) + .5 * (ABS(C13 - C14) + .5 * (ABS(C14 - C15) + .5 * (ABS(C15 - C16) + .5 * (ABS(C16 - C17)))))))))))))))) + 50

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joemar1961
Posted : Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:45:43 PM
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Thanks Bruce. I appreciate it.

Joe
Bruce_L
Posted : Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:13:46 PM


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You're welcome.

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ejr39
Posted : Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:08:26 PM
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joemar1961;

Evaluate the 2-period 2-days ago RSI using Wilder's smoothing
with the 2-period 2-days ago RSI Simple and the 2-period 2-days
ago RSI Exponential

In a Middle or Bottom Window
(remove all other indicators)
. Custom Indicator (2 days ago, Wilder's RSI - Period:2 Average:1 - Wilder's smoothing PCF)
__ Draw Color: white
__ Draw Style: Normal
__ Check: Visible
__ UNCheck: Center Zero Line
__ UNCheck: Plot using price scle
__ Smoothing Average: 1 Simple or Exponential (1 = no moving average)
__ Indicator Formula:
50 * (C2 - XAVGC3.3) / 2 / (.500030519440884 * (ABS(C2 - C3) +
.5 * (ABS(C3 - C4) +.5 * (ABS(C4 - C5) + .5 * (ABS(C5 - C6) +
.5 * (ABS(C6 - C7) + .5 * (ABS(C7 - C8) + .5 * (ABS(C8 - C9) +
.5 * (ABS(C9 - C10) + .5 * (ABS(C10 - C11) + .5 * (ABS(C11 - C12) +
.5 * (ABS(C12 - C13) + .5 * (ABS(C13 - C14) + .5 * (ABS(C14 - C15) +
.5 * (ABS(C15 - C16)))))))))))))))) + 50


. Custom Indicator (2-days ago, Wilder's RSI - Period:2 Average:1 - Simple)
__ Draw Color:
__ Draw Style: Normal
__ Check: Visible
__ UNCheck: Center Zero Line
__ UNCheck: Plot using price scle
__ Smoothing Average: 1 Simple or Exponential (1 = no moving average)
__ Indicator Formula: (RSI2.1.2)

Which charted is identical (overlays) to the following
. Custom Indicator (2-days ago, Wilder's RSI - Period:2 Average:1 - Exponential)
__ Draw Color:
__ Draw Style: Normal
__ Check: Visible
__ UNCheck: Center Zero Line
__ UNCheck: Plot using price scle
__ Smoothing Average: 1 Simple or Exponential (1 = no moving average)
__ Indicator Formula: XAVG(RSI2.1.2,1)

In the lower right corner of the screen, click the small scaling box
until the scale color is white - the RSI formula with Wilder's
smoothing is NOT on a 100 to 0 scale.

Note that all the lines travel together, the RSI2.1.2 and the XAVG(RSI2.2.2,) formulas
while less smooth are more definitive and may be a tad faster. AND the simple
formulas don’t have the added problem of guessing what the scale values are.

ejr39
joemar1961
Posted : Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:42:24 PM
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Thank you.
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